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Post by 2W0CYM on 1st April 2012 at 19:26
I just hope this is not a April fool's joke
http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fqrznow.com%2F%3Fp%3D2039&h=uAQHPnYE5AQHtPBH15Z5E_4amZi4VAoQsqoy44ILc6nBzNQ

How much will this cost, I wonder?
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Post by G3RMD on 1st April 2012 at 19:42
In reply to 2W0CYM:
The screen display looks very like the one on an IC-7000 superimposed on an FT-817. April 01, I fear?
73, Frank
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Post by MM0FMF on 1st April 2012 at 19:46
In reply to 2W0CYM:

So my thoughts about Facebook users are correct.

Andy
MM0FMF
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Post by 2W0CYM on 1st April 2012 at 20:02
In reply to MM0FMF:
Ahh well. Egg on my face. It was a good April fool joke. I took it hook, line and sinker haha. Yaesu please take note! This is the radio we want haha
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Post by 2E0TDX on 1st April 2012 at 20:16
In reply to 2W0CYM:

Hi Alan.

Apart from the Icom 7000 display, other claimed specs looked somewhat suspicious...23 cms and 4m as well as the usual 817 bands?....I would have thought that the 23 cms allocation would have moved the costing of the radio well away from the target consumer base of the 817...Throwing 4m in as well, that's just plain cruel!

The killer point for me though, was the bnc socket on the front panel as I'm sure that that would go the way of all the modern handhelds and morph into an sma type.

ATB, Neil.
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Post by 2W0CYM on 1st April 2012 at 22:12
In reply to 2E0TDX:
The sad thing about this thread is that Yaesu will never take our points of view onboard, because we do not come from the USA and Japan. We can always live in hope?
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Post by 2W0CYM on 2nd April 2012 at 08:57
In reply to 2W0CYM:
Maybe the Chinese will take note of this April fool and produce one for us?
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Post by MM0FMF on 2nd April 2012 at 09:22
In reply to 2W0CYM:

Why? Are they going to sell billions? Well maybe millions?

They wont do it for 2 simple reasons. 1) Nothing to copy. 2) No market.

A few thousand hams who begrudge paying more than threepence ha'penny doesn't suggest there's a viable business model to be supported.

Andy
MM0FMF
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Post by G8ADD on 2nd April 2012 at 11:13
In reply to MM0FMF:

The sales of the 817 ran into five figures several years ago. Its never been copied! Its good business sense to bring out an improved version every five years or so, plenty of 817 owners would salivate over a new version! So they bring out a new and improved model with a different first IF so that they can include 70 megs in one of the band-pass filters, selectable as an alternate Region 1 setting, plus space for a small but very expensive (i.e. profitable!) 23 cm accessory which would be obtained by replacing the NiCd compartment with a smaller compartment for a more modern battery. Its doable, I bet that there is a small project team looking at the next version right now!

73

Brian G8ADD

PS I would certainly begrudge parting with the thre'p'ny piece and the ha'penny from my small collection!
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Post by G8TMV on 2nd April 2012 at 12:28
In reply to G8ADD:

> The sales of the 817 ran into five figures several years ago....

> I bet that there is a small project team looking at the next version
> right now!

Well they need to get moving ;) If they are not quick then there will be an increase in the number of used 817s available as people trade for KX3s. Yes, I know the KX3 is more expensive, but if only 1% of 817 owners trade up and only half of them don't decide to keep the 817 as a backup that is still a *lot* of extra used rigs becoming available.

Colin G8TMV
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Post by G3NYY on 2nd April 2012 at 15:19
In reply to G8TMV:

In what way is a KX3 better than an FT-817 or FT-857?

73,
Walt (G3NYY)
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Post by G3RMD on 2nd April 2012 at 15:29
In reply to G3NYY:
Much better IMD.
73, Frank
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Post by MW0IDX on 2nd April 2012 at 15:52
In reply to G3NYY:


http://www.elecraft.com/KX3/kx3.htm

73
Roger MW0IDX
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Post by G8TMV on 2nd April 2012 at 16:03
In reply to G3NYY:

> In what way is a KX3 better than an FT-817 or FT-857?

More power
Better front end
Better keyer with memories
Easier to operate (less menus and more buttons)
...

Colin G8TMV
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Post by G4ILO on 2nd April 2012 at 16:05
Not forgetting a built-in wide range ATU (option).

Julian, G4ILO
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Post by 2E0YYY on 2nd April 2012 at 16:58
In reply to G8ADD:

Hi Brian,

Having owned about 5 or 6 of these on and off, The biggest improvement to this rig would be to up the available power from 5 to 10 Watts.

This is main reason I keep returning to the 857.

At the moment,the FT-817 is a Golf GTi powered by an Austin Allegro engine :-(

Cue the Morse Evangelists :-)

73 Mike
2E0YYY



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Post by MM0FMF on 2nd April 2012 at 16:59
In reply to G3NYY:

Well the RX is better and current consumption is much lower on RX. The trail controls are better positioned than the 817. Of course for a radio missing 2 VHF bands and 1 UHF band you end up paying a lot, lot more.

But the overiding reason is the faux-kudos you can garner by saying you have an Elecraft radio rather than something everyone else has! The radio is good ergo I am good because I have bought one. :-)

I'd have one but I haven't convinced myself the extra cost is justified for what I use my 817 for. Much the same argument as an iPad or tablet, I'd like one but haven't figured what it would be used for.

Andy
MM0FMF


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Post by G8ADD on 2nd April 2012 at 17:00
In reply to G4ILO:

OTOH it isn't available yet, it will cost perhaps twice as much, and they have a reputation for using the first batch out of the factory for de-bugging!

73

Brian G8ADD
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Post by OK7OK on 2nd April 2012 at 20:13
I see nobody has mentioned the Icom 703, mine has server me well on all my 2010 and 2011 activations (100 in total with that rig) 10w SSB, and a built in (very forgiving) one push button ATU, big display, no problem seeing the meter in any kind of light, cracking little rig. I know they dont make them any more but to its credit they shift very well whenever one comes up on FleaBay.
The 703 has much better display that the 817 and the 897 which I am trying out on activations at the moment and looking at the K3 it also have good size display.
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Post by M0TUB on 2nd April 2012 at 21:13
In reply to 2E0YYY:

Quote

"At the moment,the FT-817 is a Golf GTi powered by an Austin Allegro engine :-(

Cue the Morse Evangelists :-) "


Heathen

That's not the spin you put on the one you sold me!!

LOL
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Post by 2E0YYY on 2nd April 2012 at 21:31
In reply to M0TUB:
> In reply to 2E0YYY:
>
> Quote
>
> "At the moment,the FT-817 is a Golf GTi powered by an Austin
> Allegro engine :-(
>
> Cue the Morse Evangelists :-) "
>
>
> Heathen
>
> That's not the spin you put on the one you sold me!!

LOL... ;-)

73 Mickey







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Post by G8ADD on 2nd April 2012 at 23:37
In reply to 2E0YYY:
> In reply to G8ADD:
>
> Hi Brian,
>
> Having owned about 5 or 6 of these on and off, The biggest improvement
> to this rig would be to up the available power from 5 to 10 Watts.
>

Doubling the power would get you half an S-point. A built-in speech compressor would have more effect!

73

Brian G8ADD
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Post by MM0FMF on 3rd April 2012 at 07:41
In reply to G8ADD:

>A built-in speech compressor would have more effect

Or a better aerial. Or even AM!

If it was 20-30W it would probably be noticeable. I've had a plenty of contacts on 60m using 0.5W and still received good reports. Brian G4ZRP has worked Phil G4OBK on many SOTA/WOTA LD summits using just 16mW (milliwatts) of 2m FM.

Andy, MM0FMF
(Only QRO when it really makes a difference.)
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Post by G4OIG on 3rd April 2012 at 09:51
In reply to MM0FMF:

Every watt of output power has to be carried up to the summit as weight in the form of the battery. Then again I suppose Mike could dispense with the patio heater from his backpack to make room for the additional SLABs, especially as it is now summer. LOL. ;-)

As for more power output from an FT-817, that would probably be more useful on HF than VHF/UHF. A small HF linear would probably be a better option than raising the power of the 817.

73, Gerald G4OIG
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Post by G3NYY on 3rd April 2012 at 09:52
In reply to MM0FMF:

> But the overiding reason is the faux-kudos you can garner by saying you have an
> Elecraft radio rather than something everyone else has! The radio is good ergo
> I am good because I have bought one. :-)

Yes, I suspected that was the principal reason!
;-)

The FT-817 and the FT-857 will do me fine for many years yet.

I usually keep and continue to use a transceiver for 15 - 20 years. I have had my present main station radio (TS-690S) for 19 years and I see no reason to change it. For 2 metres multi-mode, the FT-221R which I bought in 1975 still works perfectly well.

73,
Walt (G3NYY)


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Post by G8XYJ on 3rd April 2012 at 10:42
In reply to 2W0CYM:
Another fantastic April fools I think!! One for the CW lot out there!

https://mail.google.com/mail/help/promos/tap/index.html

It wont Hyperlink for some reason, please copy and paste!

Matt G8XYJ
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Post by MM0FMF on 3rd April 2012 at 11:45
In reply to G8XYJ:

No, it's a rubbish April Fool just like all the others.

Andy
MM0FMF
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Post by 2E0YYY on 3rd April 2012 at 11:54
In reply to G4OIG:
> In reply to MM0FMF:
>
> Every watt of output power has to be carried up to the summit as
> weight in the form of the battery.

Tried out my new bad boy, 22Ah ultra deep cycle golf cart SLAB on G/SP-013 Gun, yesterday. Weight wise, it's manageable, although I think attemting a 10 pointer may need some serious consideration ;-)


> Then again I suppose Mike could
> dispense with the patio heater from his backpack to make room for the
> additional SLABs, especially as it is now summer. LOL. ;-)

Ah, I dispensed with the patio heater last year, Gerald and replaced it with a brasier (which doubles up as a BBQ) and chainsaw for harvesting some fuel... Burger anyone ;-)

73 Mike
2E0YYY


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Post by G4OIG on 3rd April 2012 at 12:28
In reply to 2E0YYY:

> Tried out my new bad boy, 22Ah ultra deep cycle golf cart SLAB on
> G/SP-013 Gun, yesterday.

Ah, some way to go then to my antics of carrying a 34AH car battery.... up Kinder Scout from Edale! That was for one of the 10GHz contests back in the early 80's when we ran wideband FM. I also went up a hill near Llangollen to achieve the RSGB 10GHz 150km distance award with the same kit...... and it rained all day!

> Weight wise, it's manageable, although I think attemting a 10 pointer may need some serious consideration ;-)

I can suggest a few single point SOTA hills that would make you think twice as well!

> Ah, I dispensed with the patio heater last year, Gerald and replaced
> it with a brasier (which doubles up as a BBQ) and chainsaw for
> harvesting some fuel... Burger anyone ;-)

No doubt you want us to bring our own bread rolls to save weight..... ;-)

73, Gerald G4OIG
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Post by 2E0YYY on 3rd April 2012 at 12:55
In reply to G4OIG:

>
> Ah, some way to go then to my antics of carrying a 34AH car
> battery.... up Kinder Scout from Edale! That was for one of the 10GHz
> contests back in the early 80's when we ran wideband FM. I also went
> up a hill near Llangollen to achieve the RSGB 10GHz 150km distance
> award with the same kit...... and it rained all day!

Anyone who takes a car battery up Kinder, deserves a medal IMHO.

I took a 12AH SLAB and FT-857 up there last year and that was hard work.

> > Weight wise, it's manageable, although I think attemting a 10
> pointer may need some serious consideration ;-)
>
> I can suggest a few single point SOTA hills that would make you think
> twice as well!

Yes, I know there are some very tough 1 pointers :-(

> > it with a brasier (which doubles up as a BBQ) and chainsaw for
> > harvesting some fuel... Burger anyone ;-)
>
> No doubt you want us to bring our own bread rolls to save weight.....
> ;-)
>
If you wouldn't mind too much Gerald, then you can quickly warm them up in the microwave oven ;-)

73 Mike
2E0YYY
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Post by G8ADD on 3rd April 2012 at 12:58
In reply to 2E0YYY:

Frivolities! Who is going to carry the cask of real ale?

73

Brian G8ADD
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Post by MM0FMF on 3rd April 2012 at 13:05
In reply to 2E0YYY:

>Anyone who takes a car battery up Kinder, deserves a medal IMHO.

What about if you carry it up a proper hill like The Cheviot?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mm0fmf/3996939015/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mm0fmf/3996949259/

Andy
MM0FMF
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Post by G4OIG on 3rd April 2012 at 13:16
In reply to MM0FMF:

> What about if you carry it up a proper hill like The Cheviot?

Yes the climb up is rather steep, to say the least.

I see you went in summer....

http://www.flickr.com/photos/18897403@N00/458067215/in/photostream
http://www.flickr.com/photos/18897403@N00/458067245/in/photostream


In reply to G8ADD:

> Frivolities! Who is going to carry the cask of real ale?

That's a serious question Brian. I assume that you are not volunteering. ;-)

73, Gerald G4OIG
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Post by MM0FMF on 3rd April 2012 at 15:14
In reply to G4OIG:

Yes it was a lovely summer's day as I recall. I only need two layers of fleece, a GoreTex jacket and the double layer Alpaca wool hat. Brian, always concerned, applied two layers of factor 30 sun creme, just in case! ;-)

Today's snow/blizzards have now stopped and most of it has melted. Just the odd white patch higher up.

Andy
MM0FMF


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Post by 2E0YYY on 3rd April 2012 at 15:38
In reply to G8ADD:
> In reply to 2E0YYY:
>
> Frivolities! Who is going to carry the cask of real ale?

An extremley well chilled bottle of vintage Bollinger for me, Brian.

Followed by a bottle of Chateauneuf-du-Pape, as an accompaniment to the burgers...

Failing that, I'll settle for a can of Bud ;-)

73 Mike
2E0YYY
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