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Post by MM0GYX on 2nd March 2013 at 17:45
I'm looking for a rig for 17m & 15m cw, the weber tri-bander looks like a likely candidate fitting my frugal requirements of power and cash consumption.

Does anyone have one of these rigs? I'm sure it performs well, as do Steve's other designs.

Ian MM0GYX
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Post by W9FHA on 2nd March 2013 at 17:55
In reply to MM0GYX:
I have one set up for 40-30-20 meters. It is a joy to operate and has replaced my IC-703 in the camping rig.
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Post by G8TMV on 2nd March 2013 at 18:06
In reply to MM0GYX:

Steve announced recently that a new batch of MTRs will be available sometime this month.

Colin G8TMV
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Post by MM0GYX on 2nd March 2013 at 18:16
In reply to G8TMV:

Yes, I'm watching that one closely too. M0CGH said he'd build it for me, possibly can't remember though. (-: Not sure about smd.

I don't think it has an option for 15 or 17, though it may be possible to add. The tribander is a good price though at $240 delivered. I'm close to going for that one.

Ian MM0GYX
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Post by K7ATN on 2nd March 2013 at 19:06
In reply to MM0GYX:

Steve Weber's design for the MTR won't do 17m or higher - see this message:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AT_Sprint/message/10301

73s,
Etienne-K7ATN
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Post by MM0GYX on 2nd March 2013 at 19:07
In reply to K7ATN:

Thanks Etienne, tribander it is then.

Ian MM0GYX
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Post by KF4LXB on 2nd March 2013 at 19:46
In reply to MM0GYX:

Ian,

I have a Weber Tri-bander that I have been using since November. The build was pretty straight forward and I LOVE the radio. I opted for 40m,20m, and 15m. Not only is it my SOTA rig but I also use it alot from home. I don't think you'll be disappointed at all. Its a great rig and you can't beat the price of 3 HF bands.

Christian
KF4LXB
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Post by G4ISJ on 2nd March 2013 at 23:44
In reply to MM0GYX:
> Its a great rig and you can't beat the price of 3 HF bands.
>
> Christian
> KF4LXB
>

Unless you can find yourself an ATS4 which will give you 5 bands!
Luckily I have one. Mine covers 40, 30, 20, 15 and 17m.
And they _were_ cheaper than the tribander!
(They change hands at extortionate prices now - http://tinyurl.com/ars5uu5 )

However mine is not for sale, in fact I'd get rid of my KX3 long before the ATS and MTR (80/60) had to go.
Steve produces great radios.

Pete

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Post by M0CGH on 4th March 2013 at 13:29
In reply to MM0GYX:

Hi Ian,

Sorry, only just read this post, it's been a busy weekend.

Yes, I offered my services for building, I'm a bit short of projects at the moment. I have far too many rigs for myself now, so I'm looking to build for others.

I'm hoping the ordering for the new MTR's will open up soon. It's a shame that the MTR won't do any bands higher than 20m, but there has to be limitations somewhere and there's an awful lot squeezed into that little mint tin!

Good luck with the Tribander should you buy one :-) (go on - you know you want to!)

73, Colin

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Post by W4ZV on 4th March 2013 at 13:37
In reply to M0CGH:

The 20m limitation on the ATS-3 (and lower) and MTR has to do with the 40 MHz clock. The ATS-4 and Tribander use a higher clock (60 MHz) so they can cover 17 and 15.

73, Bill W4ZV
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Post by MM0GYX on 4th March 2013 at 13:40
In reply to M0CGH:

Hi Colin,

I have done, I selected the 30, 17 and 15 flavours. Good for when it's a contest weekend. Just hopeful the tax man won't notice it. He's been a bit hit and miss of late for me, probably got me 25% of the time.

I'm keeping my eye on the mtr group also.

Ian MM0GYX
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Post by MM0FMF on 4th March 2013 at 13:52
In reply to MM0GYX:

Well if he does miss it then I'm sending my imports via your Post Office. I got stung for VAT and handling charges on the last 3 things I've brought in. The last one was only £2 into the chargeable limit but with the £8 handling change it really hurt.

Andy
MM0FMF
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Post by M0CGH on 4th March 2013 at 13:57
In reply to W4ZV:

That's how I understand it Bill. I'm not really up on digital signal generation but Steven's explanation is that a higher reference frequency would induce a higher current requirement and that goes against the ethos of the MTR, which is designed to be as efficient as possible.

The MTR is a superb radio I would never part with mine!

Ian - that's great news, I'm a little jealous ;-)


73, Colin
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Post by G8TMV on 4th March 2013 at 14:02
In reply to W4ZV:

> The 20m limitation on the ATS-3 (and lower) and MTR has to do with the
> 40 MHz clock. The ATS-4 and Tribander use a higher clock (60 MHz) so
> they can cover 17 and 15.

Just to be clear, the ATS3B also has the 60MHz clock and so covers 80, 40, 30, 20, 17 and 15

Colin G8TMV
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Post by W4ZV on 4th March 2013 at 14:16
In reply to G8TMV:

> Just to be clear, the ATS3B also has the 60MHz clock and so covers 80,
> 40, 30, 20, 17 and 15

Correct Colin. The change to 60 MHz was between the ATS-3A and ATS-3B models. I should have said ATS-3A and lower in my post. Thanks for the correction!

73, Bill W4ZV
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Post by MM0GYX on 4th March 2013 at 14:26
In reply to MM0FMF:

I feel your pain Andy. Before we moved to Elgin we were charged without fail.

Ian
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Post by MM0GYX on 25th March 2013 at 12:02
In reply to MM0GYX:

Weber Tribander on 15, 17 and 30 metres is born.

The build was quite simple, there was some case wiring to do, but the quality of the hook up wire was very good. It was a little hot with 12 volts (over 6 watts out on 30m) and the fets were getting a little too warm for my liking, so some tweaking of the lp toroids and I have between 4.5 & 5 watts on all bands.

It draws between 60 & 90 mA on receive, depending on the band; it has relays to select the band which aren't the latching kind. On transmit it draws 650mA at the previously mentioned dc voltage and power output.

All in all a nice compact 3 bander that should be a good companion on sota activations.

Oh, and it was delivered direct without vat Andy.

73,

Ian MM0GYX
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Post by G4ISJ on 25th March 2013 at 13:02
In reply to MM0GYX:

Sounds great Ian.
Look forward to hearing it on the air, although that will likely have to be on 30m, unless there's some anomalous propagation!
I'm sure it will be a great rig. Steve certainly knows his stuff.
Just awaiting my MTR here...

Pete
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Post by N1EU on 25th March 2013 at 14:57
In reply to MM0GYX:
> In reply to MM0GYX:
>
> Weber Tribander on 15, 17 and 30 metres is born.
>

Congrats Ian, hope to work you soon! That's a nice radio.

Was the Tribander's front panel silk-screened, decal'd, or blank?

73,
Barry N1EU
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Post by VA2SG on 25th March 2013 at 17:00
In reply to N1EU:
The Tribander I built 2 years ago had decals. I believe they still come with decals.

No need to mention I got rid of hem.
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Post by MM0GYX on 25th March 2013 at 18:16
In reply to G4ISJ:

"Steve certainly knows his stuff."

That's for sure Pete, the transmitter design is wonderful, I'm not one for hero worship but you know..

Barry, it's decals. I found them entirely adequate and they look ok now they're on. I sprayed it up a nice shade of bright YELLOW! Then on with the decals and sealed with a clear lacquer. Looks pretty good, I think.

73,

Ian MM0GYX
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Post by M0CGH on 25th March 2013 at 19:41
In reply to MM0GYX:

Wow, Ian, you got that put together quickly. Congratulations!

I was looking closely at the TriBander information at the weekend after Bill W4ZV pointed out it's merits to me. I imagined the rig to be much bigger than it actually is. I think I would quite like to build a TriBander.

I'm impressed that there were no charges to pay, I hope the same is true for the MTR when that comes in the next few weeks or so.

I'm not overly keen on the Hendricks brushed metal cases though.

73, Colin
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Post by VA2SG on 25th March 2013 at 19:51
They are ruff, its true.

I used to apply good coat of primer and 2 coats of paint on em.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ6qi21CysA

Sound like my PFR3.
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Post by MM0GYX on 25th March 2013 at 20:04
In reply to M0CGH:

I think the brushed metal gives a nice finish once a few coats of paint are applied.

I don't think you'd like the kit though Colin, no, there are too many large through hole components to contend with, not your type of thing (to quote Father Ted) (-:

Seriously though Colin, it is a beaut. I worked S57X/P on 17m with it the other day and heard N4EX work him just before me, very clear, nice receiver.

73,

Ian
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Post by M0CGH on 25th March 2013 at 20:17
In reply to VA2SG:

Thanks for posting that link, I enjoyed that!

Looks like a very nice rig, the tuning seems to work well with the fast and slow rates.

73, Colin
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Post by M0CGH on 25th March 2013 at 20:25
In reply to MM0GYX:

> I don't think you'd like the kit though Colin, no, there are too many
> large through hole components to contend with, not your type of thing
> (to quote Father Ted) (-:
>
Hey Ian, I can do through hole components too you know! ;-)

Aargh! You've got me wanting one now! I like the thought of having a good 17m rig, my RockMite seems a bit deaf, I need to have another look at it.

If I got a TriBander I'd probably send it to the guy who painted my SW, I'm not very good with paint!
http://m0cgh.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/sw-20-keyer-speed-control.html

73, Colin
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Post by G4OIG on 25th March 2013 at 22:27
In reply to MM0GYX:

> I sprayed it up a nice shade of bright YELLOW!

Great idea Ian. Beware though - I know an activator that left something yellow on a summit...... no names mentioned. ;-)

> Looks pretty good, I think.

Will this be photographed for us all to see and wonder at? :-)

73, Gerald G4OIG

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Post by G4ISJ on 25th March 2013 at 22:52
In reply to G4OIG:

> Great idea Ian. Beware though - I know an activator that left
> something yellow on a summit.....

Was it snow?
:-?

Pete
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Post by MM0GYX on 25th March 2013 at 23:03
In reply to G4OIG:

"Will this be photographed for us all to see and wonder at? :-)"

This will sound stupid, where do I send the photographs? I used to use facebook, but cancelled my account. Where do people do that kind of stuff?

I would be happy to share an image or two.

73,

Ian
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Post by MM0FMF on 25th March 2013 at 23:20
In reply to MM0GYX:

Scroll to the top or bottom of a SOTAwatch page.
See that line of blue links?
See the one marked Photos?

Andy
MM0FMF
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Post by G4OIG on 25th March 2013 at 23:27
In reply to G4ISJ:

> Was it snow? :-?

Had to think about that for a minute Pete. :-) No, the reference I made was to an electronic yellow escapee.......

73, Gerald G4OIG
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Post by MM0GYX on 25th March 2013 at 23:47
In reply to MM0FMF:

Yeah, thanks Andy. I asked that question just for you, I'm just not observant. I'm an NDT technician you see, we get help to find things, in general.

Picture is coming, soon.

73,

Ian
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Post by MM0GYX on 26th March 2013 at 00:45
In reply to MM0GYX:

Images uploaded to sota photostream.

73,

Ian
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Post by G4ISJ on 26th March 2013 at 01:01
In reply to MM0GYX:
> Images uploaded to sota photostream.


Very nice.
Pete
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Post by GM4TOE on 26th March 2013 at 09:14
In reply to G4OIG:
> In reply to G4ISJ:
>
No, the reference I
> made was to an electronic yellow escapee.......
>

Not the rather large one that was left in Coire an t'Sneachda by the RAF a couple of winters ago then?

73

Barry GM4TOE
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Post by G4OIG on 26th March 2013 at 12:27
In reply to GM4TOE:

No Barry, this yellow item had no moving parts and could be carried in a trouser pocket....... ooops, I've said too much already. Why did I mention this in the first place?

In reply to MM0GYX:

Hmmm, nice Ian. Makes me wonder why we mainly have black, grey and silver rigs, wear relatively drab clothes and drive around in silver cars (well I don't). That's given me an idea for my next homebuild project. :-)

73, Gerald G4OIG
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Post by M0CGH on 26th March 2013 at 12:59
In reply to MM0GYX:

> Images uploaded to sota photostream.

I've been trying to find the pictures of your tri-bander on the Flickr SOTA group for ages, I have only just managed to see the pics, it seems as though you have to be signed in to Flickr to see them!

Anyway, you've done a very nice job Ian, I can see you've paid a lot of attention to detail, like putting the resistors in with the same orientation. Some people might think that this is going too far, but I disagree, firstly it just looks nicer, and secondly, most importantly, it can be a great help whilst debugging if all the values of components can be read easily without having to constantly rotate the PCB.

You've got a very nice, well built rig there Ian.

73, Colin
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Post by G4AZS on 26th March 2013 at 15:08
In reply to G4ISJ:
> In reply to G4OIG:
>
> > Great idea Ian. Beware though - I know an activator that left
> > something yellow on a summit.....

Longmynd was an Aerial shooting range during the war, and when we used to go up there as children we occasionally found munitions lying around. My Dad warned me especially not to pick up anything yellow - I think he was remembering the explosive charges built into airbourne radar units to avoid capture, which was important for him to know, as a technician.
I trust that there is nothing secret in your rig Ian ;o)

Adrian
G4AZS
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Post by MM0GYX on 26th March 2013 at 17:45
In reply to G4AZS:

"I trust that there is nothing secret in your rig Ian ;o)"

Adrian, I could tell you, but I'd have to..etc etc.

73,

Ian
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Post by MM0GYX on 26th March 2013 at 17:48
In reply to G4OIG:

"No Barry, this yellow item had no moving parts and could be carried in a trouser pocket....... ooops, I've said too much already. Why did I mention this in the first place?"

Gerald, was it a device to aid navigation? Made by Garmin maybe?



"Hmmm, nice Ian. Makes me wonder why we mainly have black, grey and silver rigs, wear relatively drab clothes and drive around in silver cars (well I don't). That's given me an idea for my next homebuild project. :-)"


I decided on the colour after seeing how good the Hendricks PFR looks.

73,

Ian
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Post by MM0GYX on 26th March 2013 at 17:51
In reply to M0CGH:

Thanks Colin, I'm not sure what I did with the Flickr account settings, I'll have a look.

I do normally just throw the resistors in haphazardly, took a little more care this time.

Catch you soon for some Weber design qsos.

73,

Ian
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Post by W4ZV on 26th March 2013 at 20:43
In reply to MM0GYX:

Don't eat yellow snow! ;-))

73, Bill W4ZV
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Post by MM0FMF on 26th March 2013 at 20:55
In reply to W4ZV:

>Don't eat yellow snow!

Especially if it was 100 degrees below.

;-)

Andy
MM0FMF
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Post by G4OIG on 26th March 2013 at 22:12
In reply to MM0GYX:

> Gerald, was it a device to aid navigation? Made by Garmin maybe?

Ooo-er Ian, you'll get me into trouble mentioning that. I feel a hate email is on its way. ;-)

As for the colour, I think an Audi Brilliant Red spray can will find its way into my next project box. Could look good against the silver ally. Red and silver are my company colours as well. :-)

73, Gerald G4OIG
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